Okay, I tried to recreate an example by exporting text as vectors in Corel Draw and then importing the vector file into the Designer 2.004. The Designer crashed AT LEAST a dozen times in various places during the creation. Most of the time it crashed when trying to assign a bit to the vectors after placing the vectors in a carve region. A couple of times it crashed during the import. Again it crashed a couple of times when copying and pasting the vector group. To say the least, it was very frustrating. I don't think Brian has a problem with his software. I think we all do. Attached is the example that I created with much persistence and tenacity. I will try to carve it tomorrow.