Grounding

[wlkjr]

I just got Floyd's DC insert installed and need to know the proper grounding procedure. I'm going to use a stiff aluminum flex duct connecting to an automatic blast gate that goes to the 2hp dust collector.

[ladjr]

I just got Floyd's DC insert installed and need to know the proper grounding procedure. I'm going to use a stiff aluminum flex duct connecting to an automatic blast gate that goes to the 2hp dust collector.

Floyd's DC will greatly improve your machines performance. I forgot how it was before until last night when my DC bag came off in the moddle of a carve. Unfortunitly I wasn't there when it happened. I have a shop to clean today.

I'm not sure that your using the DC to ground will work. Is it all metal or is your blast gate plastic like mine. Good luck.

[Digitalwoodshop]

I use a flexible green rubber coated wire with 3 Gator Clips on each end. I hook one end to 3 places of my Dust Collector since the metal is grounded through the Outlet. The Other End I clip to my Metal Ringneck Hood, Machine In Feed Tray and in my case since I have a roll around metal cart, to it....

If you read places like Wood Web on Dust collection and Grounding they recommend grounding through your grounded dust collector. Some ground through a convenient water pipe or drive into the ground a new Ground Rod. Both are really a Bad Idea as it can create a condition called "Ground Loop" where the different Earth Grounds can cause one ground to be at a different voltage level... or Ground Loop.... If this is done you may never see a problem but the Electrical guys know it is the rule in the Electrical code. Same with the Ground Bonding Screw in a Secondary Power Panel or a second Fuse Box in your Garage... The second box would not have the Ground Bonding Screw inserted bonding the White Wire and the Ground Wire together inside the 2nd box. They must remain separate until bonded at the first power panel or fuse box after the Power Meter.

I have 3 Sub Panels off my Main 200 AMP Service... All passed Inspection. I have learned in 1975 to do Wiring. The Inspector of my Shop Wiring from Power Meter to Outlets was the Son of the guy who taught me.

Hope this helps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_loop_(electricity)

AL

[wlkjr]

My gate is plastic and connects to the common 4" plastic coiled hose that in turn connects to PVC going to my drum.

[ladjr]

My gate is plastic and connects to the common 4" plastic coiled hose that in turn connects to PVC going to my drum.

Sorry I thought you were saying you were ground through the DC pipe, not asking how to. Sorry again

[Digitalwoodshop]

I would run a Copper Wire along the Pipe from the Dust Collector to the Hood and Machine and BOND or Attach THAT Ground Wire to EACH Metal Part.... A few years ago I go into the shop at night while it is doing a Cut Path and I hear Snap.... Snap......Snap..... I look into the machine and I see what looks like a Arc between the Copper Circuit board collector I made in 2007 and the 1/8 inch Cutting Bit. I turn off the Shop Lights and look.... A 1 inch ARC like a Spark Plug between the Metal collector that was painted black and the Cutting Bit as the sawdust was flowing down the dust collector pipe. I look with the lights on and the Ground Gator Clip had fallen off my copper collector and even though it sat on the metal frame of the machine that was gounded.... The Paint must have acted like an Insulator... I hooked the Ground Gator back up and NO MORE Snap....


That is WHY I am so much of a Supporter of the Ringneck Blues METAL Collector hood. I have nothing against the Guy who is marketing the Plastic Collector Hood but I don't think it is the Best Choice for a Collector Hood on a Fully Electronic Computer Controlled Carving Machine.... IF a Plastic Hood on a Wood Planer or Thickness Sander let High Voltage Static Build Up, it may not be a problem since most Thickness Planers don't have a computer. I Don't have any documentation of how Static Electricity can build up on a plastic Collector then Arc to the Machine and Zap the Electronics. Time will tell with both in use.... A while back a guy here posted pictures of a Collector made from Clear Plexiglass. He also posted pictures of his outside workshop / shed after a Shop Fire. He was doing a UN ATTENDED Carving and the Dust Collector appeared to be the source of the FIRE.... I know from working with Clear Plexiglass that a Static Charge CAN build up on the surface. Even removing the clear plastic protection quickly can give you a shock.....

I was blasted in a post a while back that I was Quick to say Bad things about other's Products for sale.... I believe it was the Clear Plexiglas and Plastic Collectors that was the item in question. I posted here that my High Recommendation of the All Metal Collector is routed in EXPERIENCE and FACTS.... I just don't trust plastic collectors and Computer Electronics. Time has not proven YET that they won't cause a problem.. It took a while in 2007 to put together the FACTS that guys would post... "I stopped my Machine in the middle of a Carving to VACUUM OUT the Wood Chips as I don't have a Dust Collection System and used my SHOP VAC... NOW my LCD and COMPUTER IS DEAD".... The wood ships flowing through the Plastic Hose created High Voltage Static and it Arced to the Computer... It Smoked the Computer, Power Supply and sometimes some Sensors..... $600.00 dollars later what did we learn.... Plastic not good for Dust Collection..... I have been in Electronics since 1974.... I understand stuff like this....


So you have the BEST... A Metal Ringneck Collector and Just Ground all the metal Pipes to the Dust Collector and you will be GOOD....


I am GLAD you asked....


I have retired my Copper Collector in Favor of the Ringneck Blues collector as my Slot Cut in the bottom to hang over the Machine, even when sealed with weather strip foam leaked... The Ringneck Blues collector has more SUCTION....


Happy Carving...


AL

[fwharris]

I just got Floyd's DC insert installed and need to know the proper grounding procedure. I'm going to use a stiff aluminum flex duct connecting to an automatic blast gate that goes to the 2hp dust collector.

Follow Al's advice! That is how I have mine set up. Thanks for the purchase and happy dust less carving!

[wlkjr]

I know there is a great amount of static electricity flowing from my drum sander through the shop vac hose but no electronics to fry. Never had a problem between the DC and table saw, jointer, or planer. Larger chips don't seem to cause the same static as fine dust. Although I did catch a metal shop vac on fire with some chips coming from a router.

[mcQ]

First I want to point out that my ERWIN PRODUCTS DUST DEVIL does address the static problem, every unit sold has a foil grounding tape installed which is continuous from the hose connection to where the unit mounts to a metal portion of the machine. Second I do not believe the forum is an appropriate place to blast another product.

Erwin

I would run a Copper Wire along the Pipe from the Dust Collector to the Hood and Machine and BOND or Attach THAT Ground Wire to EACH Metal Part.... A few years ago I go into the shop at night while it is doing a Cut Path and I hear Snap.... Snap......Snap..... I look into the machine and I see what looks like a Arc between the Copper Circuit board collector I made in 2007 and the 1/8 inch Cutting Bit. I turn off the Shop Lights and look.... A 1 inch ARC like a Spark Plug between the Metal collector that was painted black and the Cutting Bit as the sawdust was flowing down the dust collector pipe. I look with the lights on and the Ground Gator Clip had fallen off my copper collector and even though it sat on the metal frame of the machine that was gounded.... The Paint must have acted like an Insulator... I hooked the Ground Gator back up and NO MORE Snap....


That is WHY I am so much of a Supporter of the Ringneck Blues METAL Collector hood. I have nothing against the Guy who is marketing the Plastic Collector Hood but I don't think it is the Best Choice for a Collector Hood on a Fully Electronic Computer Controlled Carving Machine.... IF a Plastic Hood on a Wood Planer or Thickness Sander let High Voltage Static Build Up, it may not be a problem since most Thickness Planers don't have a computer. I Don't have any documentation of how Static Electricity can build up on a plastic Collector then Arc to the Machine and Zap the Electronics. Time will tell with both in use.... A while back a guy here posted pictures of a Collector made from Clear Plexiglass. He also posted pictures of his outside workshop / shed after a Shop Fire. He was doing a UN ATTENDED Carving and the Dust Collector appeared to be the source of the FIRE.... I know from working with Clear Plexiglass that a Static Charge CAN build up on the surface. Even removing the clear plastic protection quickly can give you a shock.....

I was blasted in a post a while back that I was Quick to say Bad things about other's Products for sale.... I believe it was the Clear Plexiglas and Plastic Collectors that was the item in question. I posted here that my High Recommendation of the All Metal Collector is routed in EXPERIENCE and FACTS.... I just don't trust plastic collectors and Computer Electronics. Time has not proven YET that they won't cause a problem.. It took a while in 2007 to put together the FACTS that guys would post... "I stopped my Machine in the middle of a Carving to VACUUM OUT the Wood Chips as I don't have a Dust Collection System and used my SHOP VAC... NOW my LCD and COMPUTER IS DEAD".... The wood ships flowing through the Plastic Hose created High Voltage Static and it Arced to the Computer... It Smoked the Computer, Power Supply and sometimes some Sensors..... $600.00 dollars later what did we learn.... Plastic not good for Dust Collection..... I have been in Electronics since 1974.... I understand stuff like this....


So you have the BEST... A Metal Ringneck Collector and Just Ground all the metal Pipes to the Dust Collector and you will be GOOD....


I am GLAD you asked....


I have retired my Copper Collector in Favor of the Ringneck Blues collector as my Slot Cut in the bottom to hang over the Machine, even when sealed with weather strip foam leaked... The Ringneck Blues collector has more SUCTION....


Happy Carving...


AL

[Digitalwoodshop]

"First I want to point out that my ERWIN PRODUCTS DUST DEVIL does address the static problem, every unit sold has a foil grounding tape installed which is continuous from the hose connection to where the unit mounts to a metal portion of the machine. Second I do not believe the forum is an appropriate place to blast another product.

Erwin"

It is a GREAT place to sell your product, making 12 posts about your product since 2008 and getting a table at the Show. That is Great.

Question? How did you find the Static Problem that the Foil Fixes?

Good Luck !!!

AL


There is a story on Wood Web a few years ago where a Guy posted about his PVC Pipe Shop Collection System. He used 6 inch Sch80 pipe and ran a copper wire inside and spiraled around the outside. He had holes drilled through the pipe bonding the inside and outside plastic pipe. He said he was just finishing up a project with the Table Saw and reached for a board on a cart and next thing He knew He was waking up laying on the Shop Floor... The Static on the Pipe had built up enough to cause him to be knocked unconcious..... He put in a metal system.

And from Wood Web... Not the exact story but many who know what they say...

http://www.woodweb.com/knowledge_bas...ollection.html

EDIT: We are all big boys here. I support the ROCK Chuck and the Ringneck Metal Collector as that is what I believe is a Superior Product that Works for ME. We all have choices in what we buy for our machine. I am just one person.

ALL of the Dust Hood Options are WELL Represented on this thread. So once a user does all His or Her Homework reading all the Opinions, then a Choice is made. I saw in another posting today where a User has ordered a ERWIN hood. That is GREAT... I wish you both Well.