I pulled this off once before with some help from the guys on the forum, but I guess I really don't understand the concept, maybe because I use it so little. I have a friend that wants a plaque made. Basically what the plaque should be is a square carve zone 8"x8" with a doughnut shaped raised circle inside that has the center carved down. Inside that circle is a raised triangle that is about about 1/8" higher than the doughnut area. In the center of the triangle is a center-line number "23". I have played and played and played with this, trying to make it work, but it has me stumped. I am seriously considering doing it piece mill and gluing it up. I am eventually going to have to learn some of these essential skills from someone.