I'm sure am glad that you senior members have the patience to deal with people like me..and to think I'm just started just remember patience ....patience..... Ok here's my ? I want to make a third pattern on one board when I select all and try to move the third pattern it gets all distorded.I'm trying to save board length....{is there a secret??} ..and to think I'll have the 3d and probe to learn yet...have mearcy on ya'll...lol