I will start by posting the LionHead Candle stick holders pattern, for the Rotary jig. I know they are posted elsewhere, but they belong here.
Thanks
Ed
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I will start by posting the LionHead Candle stick holders pattern, for the Rotary jig. I know they are posted elsewhere, but they belong here.
Thanks
Ed
Here is a Liberty Pattern that I carved a cane with. The picture is of the cane.
Ed
Ed, can you explain how this is made, well what I mean how many times is this indexed to complete the pattern. Since the CW is only a 3 axis machine I take it that this jig must be indexed manually. I'l love to try something like this myself.
CJ
Jerry, The Carvewright machine does "INDEX" the round stock, using my Rotary Jig. Techhnically speaking, it is a 4th axis that will carve 12 inches of a 2" X 14" Dowel.
I know it's hard to grasp, but, No Longer is the Carvewright Machine limited to 3 axis carving.
"How many times is this indexed to complete a pattern ?" answer, The same number of times that it would index if it were carving on a flat surface of the same dimensions. (More than I can count)
Ed
Hi CJ,
The neat thing about Ed's Rotary Jig is it does "everything" automatically (well, you do have to put the jig into the machine). Indexing concerns are really a non-issue...the machine "thinks" you are carving on a flat board! So, the same number of incremental steps (i.e., the stepover) it takes on a flat board, are identical to carving on the round dowel stock with the jig.
OK.. Here is a concept that 'Should' work with the jig.
(I am taking this from projects made with my Legacy mill.)
1- Get two boards that are a true 1" thick X slightly over 2" wide and long enough for the jig minus 2".
2- Rout a 1" channel lengthwise down the middle of the 1"X2" board 1/2" deep. The goal is a hollow 1" round opening down the length of the stock as if a drill bit drilled out the stock. After gluing, round the stock to 2" (or slightly less) by your choice of tools.
3- Here's the tricky part: Make two 2" diameter holders that conform with the top and bottom ends of the 'Stock' that goes into the Jig. On one side of each 'Holder' have a 1" diameter protrusion that will go into the glued up stock to hold it steady. Place a small donut shaped piece of two sided tape to hold each end in place.
4 - Place in jig.
5 - Design a MPC that cuts slightly more than 1/2" deep. The goal is a nice design outside leading to a hollow middle. (See attached picture). This hollow spiral could be hollow grapevines, etc.
6- carve the stock.
7- remove from the jig and remove the 'End' holders and finish as desired. The ends can be re-used for future projects.
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Remember, this is only a idea and I have no hands on with the jig. Let me know what you think as this could lead to several out of the box ideas with this new device.
Steve, it sounds like it will work. I will test it and post pic's and mpc as soon as I can. (Dang this day job is taking up way too much of my play time)
Ed
Another concept, which would require LHR software support:
Router bit profiles.. Rope, Barley twists, etc.
Set a rotation speed, start point, end point, max depth per pass and Y feed speed.
This would be akin to Vector Graphics on round stock using router bit profiles as the final shape. This would allow fast milling of stock. The hollow candle sticks on my previous post were done that way.
Just another idea.. What ya think LHR?
Looking at Ed's site, he may have accomplished some of that prior the his offer (If this cane was accomplished on the CW). http://customcarved.web.officelive.c...eRopeCane.aspx
AskBud
Yes Bud, That cane was cut on the CW. If you put a rope on your designer board. The Rotary Jig will wrap it around the piece you are carving.
If designer had a Wrap feature, to allow you to see the final product before carving, that would be nice ! Design on a flat board, then select WRAP. Ahhhh that would be so nice....
Ed
Bud,
I looked at this. It looks like a relief carving and not a router bit profile that did this. Router bit profiles are much faster but reduce carving flexibility. I will provide a link to some videos or upload a picture of what I mean in a little bit. I have to run right now and meet the wife.
OK.. Look at these videos and you will see how router bit profiles work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN8jy...yer_embedded#!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxvvbGLSqIk&NR=1
Now, some of this can be done on the CW, thanks to the 4th axis jig, with some thought. Use angle lines, length based on number of wraps calculations and shapes based on Router bits. Any ideas out there??
Added: Higher cost CNC capabilities on the CarveWright.. Nice Ed..
Steve, I think some of the same DESIGNS are Very possible, but keep in mind that the Carvewright head is moving Lengthwise with the Round stock, and the When Carving, rotary jig indexes in very small increments the same as carving on a flat board, unless you set it up with Vectors, then it rotates the same asa flat piece carving vectors. , but still moving lengthwise. (The video shows a different movment with the Legacy) Someone like you will be able to make it do things that I haven't even thought of.
Thanks..
Ed,
Vectors ARE THE KEY to using router bit profiles. Also using the right bits. Advantage is speed of the cuts. An example of this would be simple flutes using a simple 1/2 inch bull nose bit. Multiple straight line vectors that are equally spaced on the part. The equal spacing would be indexing on the part, length and depth of cut would make the flutes. Applying these same principles but changing the straight lines to angles would generate the spiral cuts. The problem with the jig and spiral cuts, as I see it (using vectors), would be the maximum length of the board measurement. This would dictate how many full rotations could be made. Raster cutting, which is the CW's native carving mode, spirals are no problem. They just take a bit more time.
I am not trying to take anything away from your jig. Quite the opposite, I am seeing many things (out of the box) that can be accomplished with it!
Now, I just have to buy one and try my theories out.. ;)
Here is a quick sample MPC that I put together. It uses 3 different bits and only vectors. With three bits I have created lathe like turnings, flutes and a diamond pattern. Try it Ed and see if it works. I am not sure about all the measurements but it should be close. Then again, I haven't tried it on your jig yet nor do I have hands on knowledge yet.
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Here is another test using the Ogee and 90 Degree V-Bit with all vectors.
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This one uses the same vector (line) for the Lathe like turnings at the top and bottom but also adds a DXF image from the DXF importer for the flag. Let us know how it works out.
LG or MT,
Could you look at the MPC's and draw a wrapped model so we could look at it? Just thinking.. All I have is VCarve Pro 6. :roll:
Steve, I don't have the Bit set, so I changed the bit in the test to a 90d V-bit 3/4"wide. The feed rate and the depth of carve caused lots of vibrations, and caused the round stock to slip.
The instruction booklet for the Rotary Jig does state to "always use OPTIMAL setting to keep the bit from digging in".
I'm guessing now that Vector cuts might not work so good, unless the feed rate was SLOW, bits Sharp, and cuts much Shallower than the test I ran.
The picture shows how it didn't keep track with the vectors.
Ed
Ed,
With the bit change did you set to cut 0.1" Max cut per depth? If you tried to have them cut more than that it would cause that to happen. In the bit selection dialog set the Max Pass Depth to 0.1" or even less to relieve the pressure. It looks like you tried to cut too much off at once as is visible by the burning.
Edit:
Also, change to a 60 Degree V-Bit. It looks like 90 Degree was too much of an angle.
More firewood huh..
Steve, I didn't set the Max cut depth. I should have. The large diameter (3/4") bit digging in so deep is exactly what caused the slip. Tomorrow evening, if I get some time, I might give that one another try.
I'm certain the spiral Hollow will carve using raster carve. I want to try that too... That is what the jig was designed to do. But I agree that if it would do the vector carves, that would be another "tool in the box" so to speak. I see no reason why it wouldn't, if I had changed the Max depth like you suggest.
Thanks...
Ed
The weather is cooling off,, so I guess if some more firewood is in order, It might as well be pretty firewood.
Well, this is Exciting STUFF.... I can see where without a Top Notch Dust Hood like the Ringneck version I am VERY Happy with... You could get slipping between the round blank and the board driver.... I still see there a Rack and Pinion version of this Jig with different color and size round gears that lock into the driver board.... It will take the possible slip out of the picture... The Masking Tape idea on "Roids" I could even SEE a flat notched belt reversed with the Teeth pointing UP engaging in a Rubber Belt teeth DOWN on the driver board.... Not that we would expect there to be any slip on the Sand Paper Belts of the Driver Board... Lots of IDEAS.... Remembering it is nice to dream but this is a fully functional unit.... and a Outstanding Jig....
I was SO excited about this Jig that I called our old CW Buddy ChrisAlb. He was on the Road Trucking 150 miles from his stop for the night in MONTANA... What a life Traveling around the country.... The Scenery He has Seen..... He was excited about the Jig too... and said to say "HI". He is doing WELL.
Me TOO.... Got a nibble on a very big Fire Tag order... Biggest ever..... 750 Plus.... The Bobber is moving around like a Catfish Nibbling on it.... And here is AL again tooting his own horn with pictures...
Was under the weather for the weekend Fire Show and took a Display there for the Door Prize.... 2 of them... Then drove home and went to bed... That is where this tip came from... I am crossing my fingers.... So every person saw the display twice.... Pretty Slick... Gave away a License Plate and a Hitch Cover...
AL
At this point I asked LHR Software to save out a merged copy of the project board as a STL and Raster PNG, without this ability it will be hard to twist your projects.Quote:
Could you look at the MPC's and draw a wrapped model so we could look at it? Just thinking..
Ok Steve. Here it is. I didn't have a decent sharp 60d bit, so I decided that if this test was to see if the Rotary Jig could repeat Vector lines and follow them correctly, the 1/16 carving bit would tell for sure. So, that is what I used. Each pass was repeated three times, with each cut being deeper than the last. Thracking was dead on, as you can see. But I still say that it wasn't made with this use in mind, even though it worked.
Oh ... and the vectors did overlap on the piece, so it would take some testing to see EXACTLY what size a vector pattern would need to be.
Thanks Much
Ed
Looks good Ed.
Remember, Complex vectors were not easy until the DXF importer came out. It would not be wrong to use vectors on flat or now round stock, thanks to you! I think that you designed it to vectors and just didn't realize it..
A jig to help you find and drill the exact center of a round piece. The dimensions can be changed to suit the need. One is for a 2" dowel, with a guide hole of 1/4" and the other is for a 2" dowel with a guide hole of 3/4 inch. Just put the dowel end in the carved area, and drill through the guide hole. This one is handy when making a cane with the rotary jig.
Ed
I guess I am going to have to get one of these things. Just when I thought I had all the stuff I needed. Oh Well.
I had thought of putting a 4th axis on my other machine, but this will be a lot easier.
Meanwhile, here is a project I worked up. Maybe someone would like to run it to see if we are heading the right direction. It may make a reasonably ok set of candle sticks.
Thanks, for the mpc's, Gentlemen. Capt Barry
mwhatch, I believe that pattern would cut perfectly ! You are definately on the right track ..
I'm thinking that a Tiered (?Spelling) candy dish would look nice. With dished carvings stacked, with some round carvings for center supports. A Larger dish then smaller dish then smaller dish ...etc.. Shaped kinda like a christmas tree.
Hopefully someone can translate this into english... Ha..
Thanks
Ed
I had to wait for the money coffers to refill. I'm going to order one now. Talk to you later. Capt Barry
First attempt at a design for a beer tap. Look this over and see if I am on the right track. I think I have the settings good for tapering down the handle.
Looks good Floyd!
Thanks Steve,
Not sure on my length. It might be to long, guess I need to hit a few bars :roll: and check em out.
Got my new filter system the other day and want to get it set up before I do any carving. Hope to have the time now that I've gotten caught up on my insert orders.
Floyd, It looks Real Good. I am not at home to see the mpc in designer. Some numbers that help me in carving round stock are: A carve region of: .062 leaves 1 7/8" diameter. .250 leaves 1.5. .312 leaves 1 5/16.
.437 leaves 1 1/8. .500 leaves 1". .625 leaves 3/4. Those numbers aren't intended to be EXACT when carving round stock, but are very close to the results you will see.
Ed
"Not sure on my length. It might be to long, guess I need to hit a few bars :roll: and check em out"
Sounds like it's time to make a "Facts gathering trip" .. The Beer tap handle that is on the Rotary Jig advertisment was done by Joe Lovchick. It sure did come out nice !
Ed
It's ordered, now for the wait. Capt Barry
AskBud, I like that ! easy to remember.
Capt Barry, I have not received the order confirmation from Carvewright, yet. Make sure your order status said "Processed"
Thanks..
ED.
Right on Bud,... used that saying for many years myself.... what comes off one side comes off the other.
CJ