Hide glue

[liquidguitars]

Hide Glue,

I been trying "hide glue" some say its stronger than super glue anyone have any pointers?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_glue

LG

[Eagle Hollow]

Hide Glue,

I been trying "hide glue" some say its stronger than super glue anyone have any pointers?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_glue

LG
LG,
I really like hide glue. The only drawback with it...it doesn't like moisture.

[kyeakel]

This is where I bought my glue, pot, and brush from. Great classes here as well.

https://www.oldemill.com/

Kipp

[bizbiki]

I have often seen Hide glue and the place that I buy some of my woodworking supplies, what is it and what is it for.

Does it disappear when dry (hide) or is made with animal parts (Hide). Or used to glue up leather (also hides).

Is stronger than the yellow or the white glue that I normally use, or is it like a polyurathane glue (Gorilla, to name one). I have heard of other glues made of urea, what is that, and what is it for?

[Kenm810]

It's a old world glue that was a standard that one time for building Furniture and Cabinets. (Very Strong)
The only reason I still use it is for then restoration of High Profile or Expensive Antiques,
and Art Works for the sake of authenticity.
With age it tens to break down a shrink as it dries out.
The newer glues and adhesives are far more reliable and versatile.

[liquidguitars]

how long is the clamping time 30 min or more?

LG

[Ken Massingale]

how long is the clamping time 30 min or more?

LG
Usually not. It depends on the hide glue gram strength, as the gram strength increases, the open time decreases.

Here's one of my favorite glue related Bookmarks, I find myself referring to it very often.
Ken

Inthewoodshop (http://www.inthewoodshop.org/2005/hideglue.shtml)

[Kenm810]

The Hide Glue we use is slow setting, and has to stay clamped or bound for several hours to days.
I have read there are some newer versions of synthetic products that look and act like the originals,
but I've only tried a small amount that I bought at Rockler and didn't care for it much.

[Rocky]

Hide Glue,

I been trying "hide glue" some say its stronger than super glue anyone have any pointers?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_glue

LG

It depends, quite a bit, on what you're gluing. I'll assume it's wood. I've found over the years that carpenters yellow glue is the best all-around glue for wood Titebond, Elmers, etc.). A polyurethane glue (e.g. Gorilla Glue) is a strong glue, but you need to be aware that it expands quite a bit. It would be good for a closed joint (like a dovetail), but not an open joint like a miter joint. It can be messy, too. As mentioned by some, hide glue is also good, but it takes longer to set-up.

[andes]

I need to glue to pieces of wood together and need it to be a long lasting bond. I need something that can stand up to the high heat of AZ and will not faulter during the raining season. Any suggestions.

[cwandm]

I use Tite bond for all of my wood glue ups. It has open time long enough to clamp properly and the squeeze out can be cleaned up with water. I have tried other glues and nothing beats titebond.
cwandm

[Rocky]

I need to glue to pieces of wood together and need it to be a long lasting bond. I need something that can stand up to the high heat of AZ and will not faulter during the raining season. Any suggestions.

Is this an indoor or outdoor item? Type of wood? How will it be sealed?

[castingman]

Fine woodworking mag say's tite bond 3 is the best , I agree .

[Amonaug]

I use Tite bond for all of my wood glue ups. It has open time long enough to clamp properly and the squeeze out can be cleaned up with water. I have tried other glues and nothing beats titebond.
cwandm


According to Wood Magazine Show it's better to let the beads set until they are rubbery then scrape them off. Using a wet cloth to wipe away the glue may push it into the pores along the seam and mess up a finish.

[ChrisAlb]

Amanda,

Titebond is a great glue and easy to work with. All weather Titebond is pretty good outdoors but for exceptionally strong bonds in all woods under extreme weather variations I use Gorilla Glue. It's messy, stains your hands and cloths and you need to dampen hard woods prior to application. But nothing is as strong in varying weather and yes, it will expand a bit which in my book is a good thing. If you have small gaps it will expand to fill them and is stain-able/paint-able and sands well. If you have perfect joints it won't adversely effect them so long as it's clamped securely.

It's also great to carry in my truck as it won't freeze like ALL other glues do. For most of my interior woodworking I use yellow glue such as Elmers or Titebond but I have to keep bringing it inside every night in the winter....lol

[cwandm]

Is this an indoor or outdoor item? Type of wood? How will it be sealed?

You can buy titebond II used for outdoor projects or the original for indoor projects. Use on any wood. I use more pine than any and seal with a conditioner for even stain and polyurethan varnish.
cwandm

[cwandm]

According to Wood Magazine Show it's better to let the beads set until they are rubbery then scrape them off. Using a wet cloth to wipe away the glue may push it into the pores along the seam and mess up a finish.

Yes you are correct it is better. I use damp cloth mainly in the corners where sometimes harder to scrape.
cwandm

[andes]

Is this an indoor or outdoor item? Type of wood? How will it be sealed?

Rocky, it's going to be an out door item.

[Jeff_Birt]

Another thing to consider is that not all woods are equal when it comes to gluing. For instance I was doing some cedar glue-ups several months ago and found out that not all glues work well with cedar. It seems that some polyurethane glues were OK, and that Titebond 3 was most highly recommended. The sources of the information were various wood magazines that had done testing and some national organization of cedar produces (don't remember name).

[liquidguitars]

Question to the Hide pros..

Will the joints stick together once the first coat is dry as a second application?

I had a starved joint and I need to re glue the crack after 24 hrs.. is this ok just to glue over, or should I remove the old hide glue first ?

LG

[FiddlemakerMills]

Question to the Hide pros..

Will the joints stick together once the first coat is dry as a second application?

I had a starved joint and I need to re glue the crack after 24 hrs.. is this ok just to glue over, or should I remove the old hide glue first ?

LG

You do not need to remove the old glue. Re heat the glue pot to 160 degrees. Thin the glue mix to a thin viscostity. Preheat the the surfaces to be glued with a heat gun. Apply the thinned glue while the surface's are still warm. Put on the clamps and pads that you have ready. Allow to sit for 24 hours. Remove the excess with a warm damp cloth after clamping.

The moisture in the thinned hide glue will reactivate the old glue. I have used this repair on violin top splits and cracks.

Remember to work fast and have everything ready at hand.

Luck

[Jeff_Birt]

...Re heat the glue pot to 160 degrees....The moisture in the thinned hide glue will reactivate the old glue.

Sounds similar to how I fixed up an old chimney cupboard a few years ago (not having any clue what I was doing :o ). Parts of the old laminate had lifted due to water damage. I steamed the damaged areas and injected thinned glue with a hypodermic needle. Considering the shape of the thing beforehand I would say the results were pretty good. I then built a new left side as it had been the unfinished side next to the chimney.

[FiddlemakerMills]

One of the best quailities of the hide glue is that it can be taken apart easly without damaging the wood. This is the main reason that instrument makers use it. Temp, and humidity effect it greatly and can cause it to fail allowing the joint to seperate.

[liquidguitars]

FiddlemakerMills,


Thank you.. that was the info i needed!

LG