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deckard
06-23-2011, 02:30 PM
Hey all well I'm new to the carvewright world but not new to word working.

I'm more of a lathe user myself making intriquite lathe items using segmented lathe techniques.

Well I know that didnt have anything to do with my tip but just sort of where it came from.

Buy 3M drywall sanding pads. For those unfamiliar they look like a screen door screen.

Why these for your sanding mop? Well for one you can cut them into individual strings they have sanding ability on both sides when you cut them into individual strings they still have all the grit still on them. You can buy them typically up to 220 grit

They last forever or it seems like it. They wont come appart either. Wanna get into that tinneyest little crack easy without cutting everything else down? Well there ya go.


Making the mop is no different than making anyother mop but easier take your paper fold it up into a square take the square over to your drill press drill a hole in it put a bolt and washer on both sides and a nut tighen up tight as you can get it.
Then just cut out the mop you want and there ya go.

Save urself some good money on sanding products and get better results.


Anyway thats my 2 cents for my first post hehe.

Good carving all.

myshop1044
06-23-2011, 02:35 PM
sounds good, send us some pictures up close.

DocWheeler
06-23-2011, 02:40 PM
Good tip!

Questions:
How big do you make them?
What rpm works well?
How many layers do you normally use?

It would seem that the cross strings would come loose over time and be of some danger (eye protection).

Kenm810
06-23-2011, 02:42 PM
Sounds like a good Idea, I have a couple of packs of them in the shop
I'll have to give them a try -- thanks for the Tip and Welcome to the CW Forum

jaroot
06-23-2011, 10:17 PM
Yeah, I'll give that a go. Sanding mops seem to be pretty expensive.

CarverJerry
06-24-2011, 10:03 AM
Now that sounds like a great idea. I'm going to give it a try myself. Going to wait and see if you answer the questions asked. And Doc, as far as eye protection, it should be worn any time you are using power tools....just a rule of eye (thumb)...

CJ

ps. I just noticed I turned into a senior member, does that mean I'm a motor mouth here on the forum? Guess when the senior moment does arrive it comes all at once. I just turned 60 in March, just got my Ohio Golden Buckeye Card from the dept of aging people, and now the forum made me a senior member. Must be I'm getting old now...lol

Alan Malmstrom
06-24-2011, 10:21 AM
I'm wondering how the thing would be made too. Perhaps you would cut it out like this attachment and put paper or cardboard in between each layer. That sure would be a lot of cutting of strands for each layer though. I bet it would work good though. I'm going to try it. You know you can buy stranded rope like abrasive stuff on amazon but that would be hard to make a mop out of.

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Alan Malmstrom "Junior Member"

fwharris
06-24-2011, 10:27 AM
[QUOTE=CarverJerry;156620

ps. I just noticed I turned into a senior member, does that mean I'm a motor mouth here on the forum? Guess when the senior moment does arrive it comes all at once. I just turned 60 in March, just got my Ohio Golden Buckeye Card from the dept of aging people, and now the forum made me a senior member. Must be I'm getting old now...lol[/QUOTE]

Congrats Jerry!

Kenm810
06-24-2011, 12:18 PM
I'll second that CJ Congrats!! -- http://forum.carvewright.com/showthread.php?17338-Tempe-rature-Sensitive-Machine&p=146375#post146375 Post #18

Alan Malmstrom
06-24-2011, 10:34 PM
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How would you build this? Has anybody tried it yet?

Alan

easybuilt
06-25-2011, 12:15 AM
I'm wondering how the thing would be made too. Perhaps you would cut it out like this attachment and put paper or cardboard in between each layer. That sure would be a lot of cutting of strands for each layer though. I bet it would work good though. I'm going to try it. You know you can buy stranded rope like abrasive stuff on amazon but that would be hard to make a mop out of.

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Alan Malmstrom "Junior Member"

Here is the link to make your own sanding mops, seems pretty simple.

http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f27/making-sanding-mop-24022/

Alan Malmstrom
06-25-2011, 12:18 PM
I have bought a sanding mop from www.stockroomsupply.com (http://www.stockroomsupply.com/) and use it a lot. This mop is klingspor stearate coated and glued to a double woven egyptian cloth and is very flexible and strong. It has a gold colored aluminum oxide abrasive that sands far superiour to sandpaper in my opinion. I tried to make my own sanding mop out of regular sandpaper and it didn't work good at all. The paper has to be held together very strongly to be effective as a sanding mop and I now only use aluminum oxide because it lasts 3 times longer and sands 3 times better than regular sanding paper.

Now the original post from deckard talks about fold your paper and cut it how you want it which I don't understand. It also talks about cutting into individual strands but I don't understand how this is achieved either. Thats why I posted earlier a png file showing how I think the guy means it should be done but I'm not sure if it is accurate. Does anybody else have any idea about the fold your paper comment in the original post.

I bought some 220 grit WallSand by Norton that says 5X life of paper and says its a sharp cilicon carbide abrasive. This stuff is 4 3/16 w x 11 1/4 long. You could cut it the same demetions as the original sanding mop paper only istead of making the cuts 1/4" inch do every strand, which by the way would be a monumental task if you build several layers. Here is the dimentions of the sanding mop show in a diagram:
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http://forum.carvewright.com/images/misc/pencil.pngI will make mine like this and simply use all the spacers from my original sanding mop. Perhaps in a week or so I will have it done because there are several other things I need to do at the moment.

Alan

deckard
06-29-2011, 09:41 AM
Sorry guys didn't really expect any questions on this so hadn't looked at it dont spend alot of time on forums.

Anyway basically

start simple this whole thing takes about 5 min max

take a package you buy believe it's about 4 or 5 sheets in a package they are rectangle in shape.

Fold the entire package (out of the cardboard obviously) in half

Take this to your drill press and drill a 1/4 hole threw the middle of the whole thing.

Take a 1/4 bolt that is threaded all the way to the end the length isn't really important but an inch or longer is best you'll see why when your done.

put the bold and a 1/4 inch washer threw the whole thing and put a regular ol nut and washer on the other side

tighten this a bit tight but dont over do it.


NOW this part is gonna be different for everyone. I have an old bandsaw with a crappy blade in it I use for scrap but a pair of good sheers or a utility knife will work ok.

Cut the end off the folded end so that it makes the whole thing into separate squares cut the whole thing so you got as good as you can get it into a square. Like I said the bandsaw makes this a 30 second job especilally the last part.

Your gonna cut this thing into basically a bit ol plus sign +

Kind of hard to explain but the image someone put up on this thread is a pretty good description.

This is where some trial and error is gonna come in along with some experience on what type of effect you want how fine you want it to sand and how fast you want it done.

now that you have your big ol plus sign start cutting again an ol bandsaw blade makes this near instant but how you cut it dont effect the final product

start cutting straight lines in your plus sign toward the center make sure to follow the lines in the paper this is extremely important other wise it wont last 5 min.

If I want a very very fine soft sanding mop I cut along every single thread this will make something that when finished will be as soft as a babby butt if you cut along every third thread you got something when done that will be a bit stiffer but will last longer and cut faster. So like I said it's up to you trial and error but you really cant go wrong if it's not the desiered effect when done dont throw it away it might work on the next project.


Now that you have all that cut out loosen your nut that runs threw it DONT take it off big mistake if you do this. Take all the pieces and shuffel them as evenly as you can but it's not critical nor is it hard.

Retighten the nut as tight as you can get it you wont hurt the paper.


as far as speed? I put it on a varriable speed cordless drill the speed is gonna effect the sanding speed along with how the paper effects the wood the same as any sanding pad.

Is this dangerious? Well I'm not gonna say it's perfectly safe nobody gonna get hurt and sue me hehe....just kidding but no I've been using this for duno 15 years and never gotten hurt and cant say I'm mr safty by any means. I have all kinds of tools including the carvewright that can be dangerious.

Should u use a face mask when using this? I would it's a spinning piece of fiber cloth with sand attached to it. It's gonna fling some stuff off it no doubt but I dont consider it that bad and it works what can I say it's cheep it works and it last a pretty long time.


When you sand with this incase your wondering you sand edge down with the drill on it's side not top flat side down


You can if you like also make mini ones of the same thing and use them on a dremel ect I've tried that as well it worked ok on small things.

I'll try to take a look at this sooner if anymore questions come up.

CarverJerry
06-29-2011, 09:53 AM
Ya know, a picture is worth a thousand words and it would really help some who can't see this in their mind. But I like your idea.

CJ

deckard
06-29-2011, 09:59 AM
k read that thread

same basic thing but geesh they are really spending alot of time and effort making it.

I know what they are doing would work but seems like over kill from what I've been doing for years

The problem from what I see in what they are doing there is with the detail I'm am achieving on the carvewright it would wipe out that detail.

The drywall cloth is alot more flexy and if you cut the strands out or 3 strands per the effect is a mop that will virtually get in every nook and craney without effort.

If you make whats in that post and it works for ya supper. what I'm making only differs in the fact that I cut it a bit different and its different paper I dont use all the templates ect as I've never really had the need to.

deckard
06-29-2011, 10:08 AM
I posted another reply at the bottom of the thread that (maybe) helps clarify this abit.

Yes to cut every strand would be a monumental task that I probably would do if I didn't use the technique I put in the reply

I cut the paper in a square it makes the mop a bit smaller than I think your using but it suits my needs on a cordless drill.

Basically when I say fold the paper I fold it in half and then cut the fold which makes every piece a square identical from the rest.

I also do not use any spacers no paper or carbord between the sand paper as "I" dont quite understand the purpose in that.

The reason I cut every strand out is I wanted and have always wanted an ultra fine sanding mop that will get everywhere without taking any of the detail out that I worked so hard to put in.



I appoligize to everyone as it seems I'm a very poor explainer on how to put this together I'm more of a show and tell person.

It really is very simple takes me like I said under 5 min to do the whole thing but I hope others can glean enough out of what I've explained to get something out of this.

jaroot
06-29-2011, 10:40 AM
I haven't tried this yet but I'm going to and post #15 seems to be a pretty good explination to me. I'm off to Scout camp next week but when I return I'll give this a try.

CNC Carver
02-16-2012, 03:14 PM
Another way to use drywall pads is to cut them into 1.75" strips you get about 6 out of each pad. Then drill hole in middle and cut end as described here.
I also just found a couple sanding products at Harbor Frieght I'm going to try. I respond with results. Product numbers are 91371 and 96948.http://www.harborfreight.com/4-inch-80-grit-shaft-mounted-wheel-brush-91371.html and 5137551376http://www.harborfreight.com/4-inch-80-grit-coarse-grade-abrasive-ball-96948.html

CNC Carver
02-21-2012, 01:53 PM
Small 4" brissels are too stiff cuts into project quickly but pad works good.

roughcut
12-16-2012, 03:05 PM
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This is what I use to remove those fuzzy critters. I bought it from WalMart it had batteries but I converted it to run off an old power supply I had . You can also get extra brushes for it.

fwharris
12-16-2012, 03:21 PM
Bill,

Do you just use the brushes that comes with it or are you using/adding any other attachments??

roughcut
12-16-2012, 04:12 PM
have been using the brushes that I bought at Wal Mart. I have been using it quite awhile now and haven't wore the brushes out.
yet.

mercer57
01-15-2013, 07:13 PM
make this mpc, then cut the jig in half on the band saw to make two pieces that are .375 thick for your jig.

easybuilt
01-15-2013, 11:06 PM
Thanks for the mpc, great idea!