PS or Corel

[Bowengg]

Evening all,

I don't have a graphics program like I thought. What would be recommended: Photo Shop or Corel Draw

Is one easier to use than the other? Can you do more with one than the other?

Thanks
Gordon

[seabass]

Try both, they have trials for you to experiment with:

Photoshop: http://www.adobe.com/downloads/

Corel Draw: http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite/us/en/Content/1152796555406

or Inkscape, it's free!

http://www.inkscape.org/download/

[robbrigg2]

Evening all,

I don't have a graphics program like I thought. What would be recommended: Photo Shop or Corel Draw

Is one easier to use than the other? Can you do more with one than the other?

Thanks
Gordon

Gordon, I use Corel Draw 8, PhotoShop cs3, Corel Photpaint 8, and Adobe Illustrator. I can say from my expereince Corel is an easier vector program, though Adobe Illustrator is an industry standard for most graphic artists. Corel for me just seems to be more user friendly (but keep in mind it is the one I learned on). For Photo Editing I can say without hesitation that Corel Photoshop is by far better than Corel Photo Paint for exactly the same reasons as above. Since I already had the Corel stuff I still use it when I just can't get Adobe to do what I want, but for the most part everything I do comes out of the Adobe programs because they are newer.

If you've never used either give them a try, but you can most assuradly buy older versions on ebay for cheap cheap cheap until you master or semi master them and then buy up.

Just my 2 cents.

Robert

[mtylerfl]

Evening all,

I don't have a graphics program like I thought. What would be recommended: Photo Shop or Corel Draw

Is one easier to use than the other? Can you do more with one than the other?

Thanks
Gordon

Hello Gordon,

CorelDRAW is a vector (drawing) program...PhotoShop is a bitmap editing program (such as for editing photos). They are completely different types of programs designed for different purposes.

As far as which one is "easier"...neither one. Both have a good amount of learning curve associated with them with their own tools and methodology.

If you buy CorelDRAW Suite, it will include both CorelDRAW and a very good bitmap editing program called Corel PhotoPaint (similar to PhotoShop). That way, you can have your cake and eat it too!

With those programs, you can create certain types of models for the CarveWright (patterns), but for truly dedicated modeling/pattern creation you may want to check out a relief modeling program such as Aspire (http://www.vectric.com), or even a 3D modeling program that can export a high-quality bitmap greyscale (rare) of the model, or can export to STL format (common) for use with the CarveWright STL Importer option.

[mtylerfl]

...For Photo Editing I can say without hesitation that Corel Photoshop is by far better than Corel Photo Paint ...

Robert

Oops! No such thing as "Corel Photoshop";) ...it is "Adobe PhotoShop"

[seabass]

Inkscape is the only "freeware" vector software I know of that is worth using.

[Ike]

Oops! No such thing as "Corel Photoshop";) ...it is "Adobe PhotoShop"

Lol Michael I first saw and was wondering why does he was a Play Station or Corel! Then I duh! again Photo Shop!

Say is V Carve pro usable with pattern with the CW? I mentioned having it and like having a K2 CNC I haven't used it!

Tell us more about Aspire and what can it do? Also do you need any special software from CW to use both or will it work with the designer alone?

Ike

[robbrigg2]

Oops! No such thing as "Corel Photoshop";) ...it is "Adobe PhotoShop"

Yes, good catch, I meant Corel Photo Paint.... Adobe Photoshop is much better and easier....

[Ike]

Yes, good catch, I meant Corel Photo Paint.... Adobe Photoshop is much better and easier....

PS is not Sony Play station ? Gotta ya Adobe Play Station! See you thought you two were off! :confused:

Ike

[mtylerfl]

...

Tell us more about Aspire and what can it do? Also do you need any special software from CW to use both or will it work with the designer alone?

Ike

Hello Ike,

Aspire is equipped with tools designed specifically for creating relief models like what we use for our CarveWright machines, and any other CNC machine as well.

After a model is created, you can export a grayscale that can be directly imported into the CarveWright Designer software. If you have the CarveWright Pattern Editor, you can import the grayscale into that as well.

Aspire will save as STL too. So, if you own the CarveWright STL Importer, you can directly import your models using the STL format.

James Booth (of Vector Art 3D) has made a series of excellent, easy-to-follow video tutorials that shorten the learning curve considerably! You can become productive with the Aspire software very, very quickly.

Spend a little time at the Vectric website (http://www.vectric.com) exploring what Aspire can do. They have several overview videos that demonstrate the versatility and pure joy of using the program.

[Ike]

Hello Ike,

Aspire is equipped with tools designed specifically for creating relief models like what we use for our CarveWright machines, and any other CNC machine as well.

After a model is created, you can export a grayscale that can be directly imported into the CarveWright Designer software. If you have the CarveWright Pattern Editor, you can import the grayscale into that as well.

Aspire will save as STL too. So, if you own the CarveWright STL Importer, you can directly import your models using the STL format.

James Booth (of Vector Art 3D) has made a series of excellent, easy-to-follow video tutorials that shorten the learning curve considerably! You can become productive with the Aspire software very, very quickly.

Spend a little time at the Vectric website (http://www.vectric.com) exploring what Aspire can do. They have several overview videos that demonstrate the versatility and pure joy of using the program.

Thank you so much Michael! How about V Carve Pro from the same makers? Is it compatible with the designer?

I will look into Aspire I know the wife won't let me get it! I have bought too much lately!! She told me I had to sell my extra tools like my old table saw, radial arm saw, band saw and anything else!!

Thanks again sounds like you have a learned a bit on Aspire! By the way did you need you coat?

Ike

[mtylerfl]

...

...By the way did you need you coat?

Ike

I sure did! The airport shuttle driver told me it got down in the 20's last night!...but, he says it's warming up...be in the 30's tonight!;)

[mtylerfl]

...Thank you so much Michael! How about V Carve Pro from the same makers? Is it compatible with the designer? ...
Ike


Ike,

I don't think so - V Carve Pro is primarily a vector-driven software (it imports/exports vector formats). It has no capability for exporting grayscales that Designer would require. (As far as that goes, it doesn't have the tools to create relief models anyway - that's why Aspire was developed - to fill that void.)

[seabass]

Yeah, but if you can save in STL that really does not matter?

One would probably only use the Designer software for importing and getting the file on the card, designing everything in Vcarve first, am I missing something?

[Ike]

Ike,

I don't think so - V Carve Pro is primarily a vector-driven software (it imports/exports vector formats). It has no capability for exporting grayscales that Designer would require. (As far as that goes, it doesn't have the tools to create relief models anyway - that's why Aspire was developed - to fill that void.)

Ah thank you as I told you I play very little with it and you import Stl files into V Carve and can set the passes in carving etc.

Ike

[mtylerfl]

Yeah, but if you can save in STL that really does not matter?

One would probably only use the Designer software for importing and getting the file on the card, designing everything in Vcarve first, am I missing something?

Hi Seabass,

I don't think V Carve can export STL format. Does it? (Besides, Designer cannot use STL directly either - you need the CarveWright STL Importer, then save from there into the PTN format.)

[Ike]

Michael correction it imports eps files I have a collection of Vector Art 3D that came in STL EPS and PTN. Yes it is an old one!

You never answered me did you need your coat/

Ike

[robbrigg2]

Thank you so much Michael! How about V Carve Pro from the same makers? Is it compatible with the designer?

I will look into Aspire I know the wife won't let me get it! I have bought too much lately!! She told me I had to sell my extra tools like my old table saw, radial arm saw, band saw and anything else!!

Thanks again sounds like you have a learned a bit on Aspire! By the way did you need you coat?

Ike

Hey Ike, I need a radial Arm saw and Band saw.. where are you at?

[Ike]

I am in Northern Calif. It is a good band saw a 14" Jet with a 6" extention for 12" resawing. I hardly use it so it is on the list to go and the radial arm saw is a old but good Craftsman 10".

Ike

[mtylerfl]

Michael correction it imports eps files I have a collection of Vector Art 3D that came in STL EPS and PTN. Yes it is an old one!

You never answered me did you need your coat/

Ike

Hi Ike,

EPS is still just 2D vectors - no 3D relief. Hey, you missed my "coat answer" above! (see post #12);)

[Ike]

Hi Ike,

EPS is still just 2D vectors - no 3D relief. Hey, you missed my "coat answer" above! (see post #12);)

By golly I missed that whole post!! Can you download a trial of Aspire? I know you can with V Carve Pro I am going to play with it to see I can figure out anything.

If anything I will learn how to use it for my K2!

Ike

[seabass]

http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/products/download_products.htm

Yes Aspire and all the suite of programs can be downloaded at the above link.

Man I would love to have all those programs together, seems like a nice package!

[Ike]

http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/products/download_products.htm

Yes Aspire and all the suite of programs can be downloaded at the above link.

Man I would love to have all those programs together, seems like a nice package!

I have V Carve Pro 4.6 and Photo V Carve.

Ike

[dbfletcher]

http://www.vectric.com/WebSite/Vectric/products/download_products.htm

Yes Aspire and all the suite of programs can be downloaded at the above link.

Man I would love to have all those programs together, seems like a nice package!

Are the demo's full featured? or are they crippled (ie.. can actually get to try anything deisgned on them on the CW)?

Doug Fletcher

[seabass]

No they look full fledged to me. I have been messing around with them. I think you just can not save new projects. I have modified sample plans that I can save. I'll see if I can make and save a new file that works for designer over the weekend.

[dbfletcher]

No they look full fledged to me. I have been messing around with them. I think you just can not save new projects. I have modified sample plans that I can save. I'll see if I can make and save a new file that works for designer over the weekend.


Michael said that aspire can output to grayscale and be directly used by CW desiner. If that functionality is still in the trial version ofAspire, I may give t a whirl...I'f b ok with not being able to ave aspire project.. but I would want to be able to test from start of design in Aspire to final product on CW.

Doug Fletcer

[seabass]

Yes I can get something into designer here is a leaf design from Vectric 3d:

Look up at a high close up, the detail is definitely there. I did nothing to the image at all so it can only get better.

[dbfletcher]

Yes I can get something into designer here is a leaf design from Vectric 3d:

Look up at a high close up, the detail is definitely there. I did nothing to the image at all so it can only get better.

Cool.. I guess I'll have to make some time to play with it then.. great... just what i need.. something elese I wanna spend money on!

Doug Fletcher

[PCW]

Yes I can get something into designer here is a leaf design from Vectric 3d:

Look up at a high close up, the detail is definitely there. I did nothing to the image at all so it can only get better.

seabass,

Looks pretty good for not having no cleaning up. It will definitely do the job.


28090

[Bowengg]

Man .... looks like i've got my work cut out for me. Time to try and learn something. Thanks to everyone for the good info.

Gordon

[mtylerfl]

BTW, if you get Aspire, it has all the features of V Carve Pro, PLUS all the modeling and sculpting tools for creating your own full-relief patterns. But you may already know that V Carve is primarily for the "standard" CNC market. It functions via toolpathing, which the CarveWright system does not use.

I just witnessed a fantastic technique using only a V-bit for creating very finely detailed inlay work using Aspire or V Carve. Unfortunately, the technique requires toolpathing to accomplish. I am going to try to figure out a way to simulate that technique for the CarveWright, but don't know if it is really possible without direct toolpathing - I need to think it through some more and perform some experiments.

Basically, you carve a "positive" and a "negative" of the same pattern on two different boards with just a V bit, glue the two parts together for a perfect fit, then machine away the top layer "waste", leaving behind a perfect inlay. Hard to imagine how the technique works without seeing it first-hand.The detail that can be achieved is incredible. The inlay example they demonstrated here at the Vectric User Group contained detail down to about twenty-thousands of an inch.

[seabass]

I inlay using the CC all the time. It's my niche and all I really do, for work anyway..

[mtylerfl]

I inlay using the CC all the time. It's my niche and all I really do, for work anyway..

Hi Seabass,

I do think I recall seeing a pic or two of your inlay. Was it using a sort of epoxy fill? I can't recall, except that I know whatever I saw, I liked it a lot!

Anyway, the inlay technique I was referring to is somewhat unique, and very exacting with sharp inside corners (no rounding off due to a ballnose bit). This allows for rather tight detail using all wood and no manual "cleaning up" of inside corners for a tight fit even on the smallest details. Here's some links to a few misc. inlays done with the V-bit toolpathing technique that I hope to closely simulate for the CarveWright system...

http://www.vectric.com/forum/download/file.php?id=8528&mode=view

http://turnerwinfield.com/images/white.jpg

http://www.vectric.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4784&mode=view

http://www.vectric.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1707&mode=view (http://www.vectric.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1707&mode=view)

http://www.vectric.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4478&mode=view

http://www.johnhowguitars.com/images/Misc/CNCstuff/pegheadinlay.jpg

[Ike]

Hi Seabass,

I do think I recall seeing a pic or two of your inlay. Was it using a sort of epoxy fill? I can't recall, except that I know whatever I saw, I liked it a lot!

Anyway, the inlay technique I was referring to is somewhat unique, and very exacting with sharp inside corners (no rounding off due to a ballnose bit). This allows for rather tight detail using all wood and no manual "cleaning up" of inside corners for a tight fit even on the smallest details. Here's some links to a few misc. inlays done with the V-bit toolpathing technique that I hope to closely simulate for the CarveWright system...

http://www.vectric.com/forum/download/file.php?id=8528&mode=view

http://turnerwinfield.com/images/white.jpg

http://www.vectric.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4784&mode=view

http://www.vectric.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1707&mode=view (http://www.vectric.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1707&mode=view)

http://www.vectric.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4478&mode=view

http://www.johnhowguitars.com/images/Misc/CNCstuff/pegheadinlay.jpg

Michael when my wife kicks me out can I live in your tree house?! Wow you keep offering more things to do I am going to have to sell more tools and toys! I asked momma about her 67 Firebird and if looks could kill!

Ike