Thanks MikeT, I will try to recreate what you mentioned, its the way I learn, by doing.

DickB, I have 3.101, build 12320 (whatever that means) My problem Is I just need more time to break apart all the tutorials and identify, what each button does, and what it can do for your project.

The tutorials are great, its just identifying what does what, when you run into something you want done....sounds a little cryptic, huh?

eelamb, that is a really cool set of rings, are they available in the pattern store?