Limited space dust collection

[200k]

I've been off the Forum for numerous months due to some health problems. I have a basement shop with no fresh air outlet. (It's in the back deepest part of the basement and my In-Laws apartment is in the front part of the basement that opens to the outside.) My basement walls are 8 to 10 feet underground so venting through a wall is a non-starter. I have a large 3HP Delta "dust collector" that sucks up the prodigious amounts of sawdust from my tablesaw, planer, and jointer without problems. I also have a Ringneck Blues DC on my Carvewright hooked up to the Delta that I thought was taking care of that dust also. In addition to this Delta dust collector connected to individual machines, I have a JET 1000 CFM air scrubber supposedly good for cleaning down to .5 microns. This system was getting all of the big stuff that you can see. My shop remained clean to the eye.

But as I said, late last year I started to have some medical problems. Specifically, some serious breathing problems. For a guy who has never smoked I was wheezing like I had a lifetime 3-pack a day habit. I saw a bunch of doctors and did a bunch of research and found among others a website that specifically addresses the ultra-fine particulate matter that is created in woodshops - Bill Pentz website: http://www.billpentz.com/ (some scary reading when you suddenly can't breathe.) Basically all the equipment I have doesn't filter out the sub-microscopic ultra-fine sized particles that are comparatively the size of smoke particles. I'm talkin' reeeeeealy tiny here. Since they are so tiny they just blow through filters and the Brownian motion of even still air molecules keeps them in the air so they never settle out on surfaces. They just float around until you have a chance to breathe them. Cough, cough.

As it turns out my problem is more of an allergic response to these particles rather than any sort of lung tissue scarring disease that would be permanent. So all I had to do was stop working in the basement - especially my Carvewright which produces the plenty of ultra fine particulate when cutting Corian and PVC lithopanes of which I was doing a lot of at the last.

The solution of course is to move my machine into an area that can be completely ventilated on a regular basis with a full exchange of air and thereby get rid of the sub-microscopic but toxically breathable particulate. So, I will be moving my Carvewright to my garage. Unfortunately like most guys my age I have collected enough "stuff" to fill my garage so space is already at a premium. So I all this stuff I've written is only a preface to my question to you guys on the forum:

What kind of physically small size dust collector can I use to suck out the major dust/chips while the machine is operating? By this I mean something like a Fein shop vac, but how to connect it to the Carvewright? I'm not talking about the sub-microscopic stuff but the visible crud that will muck up the working of the trucks, sensors, and belts.

Some thoughts:
1. The Ringneck Blues adapter has a 4" outflow - waaaaay too big for a shop vac. I don't think necking it down will ensure enough vacuum from a 2" hose.
2. A couple years ago I made one of the Bergund's small dust pickups that bolts near the base of the Z-truck but you have to take off the flip-out bit checker and permanently install a lucite piece in its place. I never did get it to work.

I'm looking for help from anyone out there. I really miss carving on my machine and until I get this solved, nothing's gonna happen.

Thanks,
200k

[bergerud]

I would say that you should get that old dust shoe working. It sounds like it is just what you need. (I use my dust cap which is a better but it only works with the ER type spindles.) Others have made the dust shoe but I have not heard too much about it for awhile. It works quite well for normal type carving.

Why could you not get it to work? What kind of trouble did you have?

[fwharris]

What micron size is the filter bags on your dust collectors? Most are 5 to 10 microns but you can get upgraded bags down to 1. In a situation like yours, a closed environment, that is still a lot of dust particles being put back into the work area.

What I have on my system is a Wynn filter cartridge. It filters down to 0.5 micron http://wynnenv.com/woodworking-filters/

He has instructions for fitting them up to just about most makes of dust collectors.

Keeping the filter cleaned on a frequent bases helps maintain a good draw for better pick up at the machine. I would highly suggest adding a paddle to the filter so that you can knock the dust off the inside of the filter.

[200k]

My main problem was that I could't get the outflow right-angle tube part to carve correctly. I calibrated the machine several times to try and remove the inaccuracy but that part is so thin walled that even an infinitesimal offset resulted in carve through of the tube wall. I also wasn't comfortable with taking off the bit checker though right now I'd be willing to give it a try. I've already got the bearings and even glued on the felt "brush" ring on two of my tries. I tried using a small plastic 1/2" right angle barbed plumbing connector but even cut down it was too long and scraped against the front "lip" of the inside frame. The available space in that particular spot is VERY small.

The rest of the pattern you gave carved really beautiful. You do spectacular work in Designer.

[200k]

I'm not kidding when I say this ultra-microscopic particulate exists and you can't see it, and single membrane filters won't stop it. If they are fine enough to pick up stuff this small, you can't get enough air through them to work with a machine.

The kind of filter I can use that will work are the organic molecule cartridge type filters that fit on a silicone face mask. It looks like a WWI gas mask. If I have to wear one of those for hours at a time I'll take a pass.

I'll still try to find a solution for the garage which I can open completely and get a full air exchange.

[bergerud]

I know the tube is very difficult to carve. I have carved through a few as well. If you want to give the shoe another go, PM me your address and I will send you a tube.

[fwharris]

I know what you are talking about with the dust floating in the air. I had that situation with the normal dust bags that came with the dust collector. After converting over to the cartridge filter I did not have the dust floating in the air. I could actually do finishing, staining and painting, while carving.

The cartridge filter has more filtering surface area than the bags and I saw an increase in suction (air flow) at the source as they state in the description of the filter.

Give them a call to discuss your situation as they are very knowledgeable about the subject of filtration and very willing to help people out.

[Digitalwoodshop]

I would also consider a stand alone air filter system and one with the static plates to collect fine stuff too. You could never overkill on air cleaners....

AL

[oscarl48]

Dan,

Can you add a quick link to your dust shoe thread. I am curious about the design. I tried searching for it but no luck.

Regards,
O

[bergerud]

Dan,

Can you add a quick link to your dust shoe thread. I am curious about the design. I tried searching for it but no luck.

Regards,
O

Here is the original thread: http://forum.carvewright.com/showthr...552#post198552