Modification to Ringneck Blues DC Insert

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02-13-2013
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Modification to Ringneck Blues DC Insert

Attachment 59985 Attachment 59986 Attachment 59987 Attachment 59988I bought the side discharge Ringneck Blues DC insert about a year ago and put it on the machine according to the instructions. It worked well and I have no complaints about it's ability to do it's designed task. However, I noticed two problems with the side discharge (at least in my shop arrangement). First the take-up chute that comes from inside the machine connected to the 4" diameter tube at a right angle tangent , i.e. in profile, it connected like the stick on a lollypop. This meant that nearly 1/2 the diameter of the discharge tube hung below the take-up chute intruding on the space that the red Head Lock Lever articulated. Secondly, my DC system uses a 28' Dust Right Expandable Hose (by Rockler) instead of the usual system of rigid tubing and flex hose. It essentially acts just like a long flexible hose except it is much stiffer, and heavier. With it I can service all the power tools in my shop without resorting to an entire system of hoses, tubing, manifolds, and blast gates. The down side of using it with my CW is that it is heavy and weighs down the DC insert further, pulling it further down into the Head Lock Lever area and even onto the workpiece.

My solution was to bend the side-discharge tube so the take-up chute connects to the tube at the circumferential tangent. This means the entire DC insert is above the take-up collector. I pop-riveted two brass braces to keep it locked into that position(see photos) I also riveted a ring onto the top of the discharge tube so I could rig a lifting/suspension line to further keep it up and out of interference with the workpiece and Locking Lever. Suprisingly, I haven't needed to resort to hanging it up with this, but it is there if I ever choose to use it.

As you can see in the photos, the only other modification I made was to tape a 4" PVC sewer pipe section onto the end of the discharge tube so I have quick connections. This PVC section is the enlarged end of a 10' section. I have one of these on all my power tools and it permits connecting my DC hose by just sliding it into it. The fit is close enough to hold it with friction and the suction provided by the DC machine.

Now I am completely satisfied with my DC system. It keeps the machine entirely clean when I am cutting wood and mostly clean when I cut plastic. The static electricity generated while cutting plastic keeps some chips stuck to various parts of the inside of the machine and rollers. I don't know of any solution to this. I just vacuum it out(with a small shop vac) and then blow it out with compressed air after each project and it is clean as new.
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02-13-2013
mtylerfl

Thank you for showing us photos of your modification and for the thorough explanation.
02-13-2013
Digitalwoodshop

Very Nice SHOP !!! and a GREAT Collector and nice Dust Collector.... Question? Do you have a Ground wire between the CW Frame and the Dust Collector Frame or is the frame floating not grounded and the plastic sticks? Just curious?

AL
02-13-2013
fwharris

200K,

Great job and thanks so much for sharing your "re design" for the locking handle access. I have received a few responses about the handle access and what I shared was, "since there is none to very little dust build up on the board with the DC-INSERT that would cause the head to raise, I find that locking the handle in places is not really needed." I assume though that since the locking handle is on the machine that there are in fact a lot of carves who do use it to help insure the head does not raise as they probably do on their planers. I see this as a simple change to make in my design for Version 3a.

On you comments about the hose weight, I also found that the normal dust collection hose was bulky and heavy. That is why I shared that on my set up I use the aluminum drier vent hose for the hook up to the insert. Some have gone with my suggestion and others have used some type of support system if they stay with the normal hose. With version 3 being a bit stouter I will take another look at the hose weight issue as well.

Thanks again for being that other set of eyes and opening up mine to other possibilities. 8)
02-13-2013
aokweld101

I too have the dc dust collecter I had a problem with it hitting the y chuck and making sparks I solved that problem by putting a 1/4 plywood in between the lip of the machine and and insert and that brought it up so that it did'nt hit.
02-13-2013
fwharris

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Originally Posted by aokweld101

I too have the dc dust collecter I had a problem with it hitting the y chuck and making sparks I solved that problem by putting a 1/4 plywood in between the lip of the machine and and insert and that brought it up so that it did'nt hit.

Post me a picture please!!!
02-14-2013
fwharris

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Fresh for the RingNeckBlues Tin Shop

I have the update done for raising the 4" pipe for easier access to the red locking handle.

I also tested for the concern of weight of the standard dc hose. I sat a full 1 gal can of stain on the 4" pipe and it lowered by only about 1/4". I believe with the larger format it is better at supporting more weight versus the small format..

Comment welcome :-D
02-15-2013
mtylerfl

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Originally Posted by fwharris

I have the update done for raising the 4" pipe for easier access to the red locking handle.

You mean there are people who actually use the Red Handle?? I confess...I did use it on my first two projects over six years ago. Haven't used it since!;)
02-15-2013
fwharris

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Originally Posted by mtylerfl

You mean there are people who actually use the Red Handle?? I confess...I did use it on my first two projects over six years ago. Haven't used it since!;)

I am finding out a lot do use it. Old school wood workers with planers who are used to locking the head before running the board through I believe. :D If they did not want us to use it they would not of put it on the machine.
02-16-2013
chief2007

Floyd - Got the High Volume DC-INSERT. I love how Beefy it is. Think I will be ordering another at some point.

I am working it up on my A model test machine so I can see it I can mount it without cutting the lid using the Magnetic switches. The switches in my preliminary test work great so far with the cover switch. Will be testing the Cut motor side next.
02-16-2013
fwharris

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Originally Posted by chief2007

Floyd - Got the High Volume DC-INSERT. I love how Beefy it is. Think I will be ordering another at some point.

I am working it up on my A model test machine so I can see it I can mount it without cutting the lid using the Magnetic switches. The switches in my preliminary test work great so far with the cover switch. Will be testing the Cut motor side next.

Steve,

Thanks sir! Looking forward to how you make out with the switches...
02-16-2013
mtylerfl

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Originally Posted by fwharris

... If they did not want us to use it they would not of put it on the machine.

Ha! Yeah - like the Edge Route function (Sears made 'em do that one!)

The Red Handle can stop the head from rising during use. I don't know how many folks actually have that problem, but it can be a good thing (I guess!) ;)
02-17-2013
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Originally Posted by Digitalwoodshop

Question? Do you have a Ground wire between the CW Frame and the Dust Collector Frame or is the frame floating not grounded and the plastic sticks? Just curious?
AL

The plastic sticks. I hadn't thought about that aspect of it. I'll have to give the grounding a try in this case to see if it alleviates the problem. The shop I had in my last house had an extensive DC system with hoses, piping, and gates to every machine. All of them were wired for grounding. When I moved to this house I researched the grounding issue extensively and concluded (for myself) that it isn't necessary for the amount of loose dust/shavings I generate. By that I mean I have to be very fastidious in my shop since the HVAC system is the same one that serves my entire house and if I let lots of dust sit/float around my shop, it ends up on the TV screen and dining room table. Whenever I am in my shop I run an air scrubber in addition to a DC so there is very little dust to clean up anyway. I have seen sanding dust fires and I am confident that the conditions that would cause one are not present in my shop. That said, I have large fire extinguishers at both ends of my shop. YMMV

BTW, I do all my painting in the garage, not in my shop.

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